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How many people are sick of poker on TV ? Is it a game of skill , or luck ?


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ger2000 		I love poker, but I think TV has somewhat killed the tournament end of poker, so I don't like it for that reason. There's 10000 people who will be playing in the WSOP main even this year, which is horribly big for any tournament, and gives the player a 10000-1 odds of winning. Also, it's taught a ton of people how to play poorly, because they see too much with the pocket cam and think that poker is so cut-and-dry, which it is not. I've seen so many people play horrible cards because they saw someone on TV play the same hand and win...without taking into consideration things like position, player mannerisms, tells, etc.

I hate the fact that there are TV invitational tournaments so that it seems like you see the same people all the time. I'm tired of seeing Shannon Elizabeth and Jennifer Tilly and having people consider them to be pros...they play a lot, they have lots of money, so what? If you had the cash you could play in every tournament you wanted to and end up winning at least one small one somewhere that puts your face on TV. Same for Ben Affleck...TV has cheapened the game and turn a nation of nit-wits into instant poker pros. I can still remember playing poker at the Horseshoe when they only had one table going in the house, now every poker room is packed with another Von Dutch wearing butt-hea who thinks he's the next Chris Moneymaker. It's limit poker, people, take off the sunglasses for God's sake.

Poker requires a good deal of skill, but there is a good deal of luck involved, too.

Why do some of those players have 9 or 10 bracelets? They're good, yes, but they're not magical. They played in the tournaments when they were much smaller in size and had a better percentage chance of winning. Imagine 100-1 odds versus 10000-1 odds. That's why you don't see these same people at the final table anymore. Bad odds, not bad playing. If the tournaments had always been this big, there'd be no mystique of Hellmuth, Ungar, Hellmuth, or Chan.

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celt71 		both skill and luck, some are very skillfull at knowing when to bluff, luck of the draw

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armenece 		It's both skill and luck. But what makes poker interesting is that a very bad player can win. I don't think a bad golfer could beat Tiger Woods, but in poker, a relatively bad player can win at poker.

In poker, you have to manage your luck as well as your skill. Some good players get unlucky, then play worse (on Tilt). If you are a good player, you have to not let emotions get in the way of your game.

I don't watch poker on TV, it's all edited and I don't like it. Oh, except High Stakes Poker

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smithy 		Well, at times I do get tired when my husband watches it for hour after hour after hour. And when that game is finally over, he then finds another channel that is showing it and watches it for several hours. As for if it is skill or luck, it actually is both. Luck as to what cards you are dealt, and skill how you use them and how you can manipulate the other players.

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jonbrown 		Well if you have to ask this question you obviously don't play. Poker on TV is to poker players like sports is to football freaks, hockey addicts world cup die hards....etc. The game of poker itself whether it is Texas hold em' or many of the other varieties (Omaha, stud, razz, etc) is based not only on true skill but also some luck. Even the words most skilled players get beat, if it was skill only the newbies and never heard of's would never win any title events, and we all know THAT'S not the case. I've taught hold em through classes and I've always told the people who ask your question~ it takes a lot of skill, some luck, and a lot of patience. Every time you sit down at a table with someone you've never played against you will learn something new. You will always be learning new things and continuously mastering your game. Hope this has helped ~ Shuffle up and deal!~

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Davidov 		If it was a game of luck and no skill, how could Doyle Brunson win 10 braclets? He just got extremely lucky? I think not.

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ger2000 		i don't watch it on tv but also, think it is a game of skill and luck.

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armenece 		I actually figured out how to use the handheld device that comes in the box with the TV. It's called a "remote control", and you can use it to Change the channel!

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twocox 		Well that's the great thing about America. Lot's of TV channels. Even if you only have 20 channels it is unlikely that poker is on all of them. In fact chances are there are at least 17-19 other channels you could watch.

Poker is my favorite game to watch on TV so I am certainly not sick of it. I think some of the formats are a little tedious, but generally I like the US Poker Championship, the WPT and the WSOP. Tonight the Travel Channel will be showing the WPT main event with a prize of over $2,000,000. Should be great.

Poker is best described as a game of skill. Clearly there are times when luck needs to be on your side. But if you play every hand according to the correct pot odds whilst being cognizant of your opponents actions and tells the skill element is a major factor. When you consider there are hundreds of players who make an excellent living playing poker you have to realize that they must have something other than luck going for them.

Look at some of the poker legends. Doyle Brunson, at 72 he is still playing world class poker. He has 10 world championship bracelets equaling the world record of Johnny Chan who won the WSOP main event two years running before finishing second to Phil Hellmuth Jr who has nine world championship bracelets.

If poker was a game of luck there is no explanation as to how these three players could so consistently beat the game. When you see poker on TV it is amazing how many times you see the same players at the final table. Keep in mind almost every event you see on TV is only the very end of a major tournament. The final six or nine players they show have often beaten fields of over 500 players to make it there. Luck simply cannot explain how they could do this so frequently.

Rather than being sick of poker you should consider learning to play. I've been playing since 2003 online and in a real life league since 2005. Since that time I have won thousands of dollars in prizes including a new computer system, trips to Las Vegas, Atlantic City, a riverboat casino, a Tag Heuer watch worth $2,500, a Sony PSP, another new computer system with 20 inch monitor, and plenty of money.

So poker is a great hobby for me, and I love to watch it on TV. Try watching the WPT tonight at 9pm and maybe you will see what the fuss is about.

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smithy 		It's a game of SKILL.

You gotta know when to fold, when to hold, when to raise, when to call, when to bluff, when to go all in...

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jonbrown 		luck and i am sick

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ger2000 		I hate it too.

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